Originally Posted by korcan

considering all mmos have some form of grind, youre fighting a losing battle.

if you dont like grind, dont play mmos.

its just a suggestion but if you dont want grind, you should consider playing single player rpgs. there are some good ones out there with no grind whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

Thing is, that at one time GW was able to boast that it HAD no grind. Those "other MMOs" always had it. It was one of the main selling points to a lot of us (including me), and it's one of the things that, you know....made GW...crap, what's the word?....oh right...DIFFERENT! You're basically admitting now that it's just another clone of every other MMO out there. How is that a good thing? :/

When the only argument left is "if you don't like it, play another game"...it's a kinda bad sign. >.>

Originally Posted by korcan

when guildwars first came out, it was basically a single player rpg disguised as an mmo.

once you beat the game that was it. nothing left to do just like all the other single player rgps. granted, you could play through the same content with a different toon but that could be considered "grind" as well. same goes for pvp endgame as youre playing the same builds over and over and over again to "grind" out rank.

once anet realised that a large chunk of their player base wasnt pvp-ing as a form of endgame content, they added sorrows furnace for the pve player base. continuously doing sf runs for greens or gold could also be considered "grind".

see what im getting at? grind has always been here. people are just a bit more vocal about it now because anet decided to give "grinders" a nominal advantage in pve. wowz, QQ me a river.

as for this game being just like any other mmo in the market, the no monthly fees aspect of the game and the relatively little "grind" involved in playing are what separates this game from other mmos.

Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

I see it more as a way to artificially lengthen a very short expension, than as a "reward". Which is cheesy, to say the least.

Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

A post by him. Contents hidden to avoid embarrasment.

Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

I was under the impression BlackSephir was being sarcastic? Or was I totally wrong? >.>

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

It doesn't lengthen, it stretches.

Originally Posted by lord dragon

So does watching grass grow while you are playing it. Maybe they should have added a lot of intermissions.

Oh wait, that was the game, sorry.

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Dunno if you with me or against me there, so I'll post:

When I think of something *lengthening* a game, I think of them adding on content like new dungeons, missions, playmodes, etc.

Stretching a game is pretty much the opposite of that, lengthening the game by making the little content it has take longer to achieve.

Originally Posted by mafia cyborg

so if someone has a life can't enjoy the game contents?
i thought guildwars was more about builds/skills.....not wastin time pressin c/space bar for days on end to enjoy what the game has to offer.
basically to be able to use the pve skills u have to say goodbye to life.

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Grind exists in MMOs so they can keep you subscribed longer.

Since Guild Wars does not have a subscription fee, the grind doesn't serve as anything else besides bad tasting filler.

Originally Posted by GloryFox

I get the feeling that ANet has this saying in their design area.

"It is by grind alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the grind that thoughts acquire speed, the fingers acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by grind alone I set my mind in motion."

@lord dragon

I think its..

"I must not grind. Grind is the mind-killer. Grind is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my Grind. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when my Grind is gone I will turn and face the Grind's path, and only I will remain."

Dune quotes FTW